Alberta United Conservative leader Jason Kenney spent a few days in B.C. this week. Black Press legislature reporter Tom Fletcher spoke with him about pipelines, protesters and politics.
TF: Alberta Premier Rachel Notley has applied to intervene in a case that the B.C. NDP government has already joined to support the City of Burnaby challenge of the National Energy Board permits for Kinder Morgan CanadaB次元官网网址檚 Trans Mountain pipeline expansion. Is that what she should be doing?
JK: Yes. I called on her to do this weeks ago. This is sort of the pattern. Last July when the John Horgan NDP government came to power, I called for a fight-back strategy to deal with his threat to block Kinder Morgan. Premier Notley mocked me at the time, but now seems to be taking a page from our playbook.
What the NDP in Victoria is trying to do is attack CanadaB次元官网网址檚 economic union, undermine our constitution and rule of law, and theyB次元官网网址檙e really attacking our countryB次元官网网址檚 future economic prosperity. We have the third largest oil reserves on Earth. They have a value of trillions of dollars. ThatB次元官网网址檚 the ability to pay for future pensions, debts, health care and everything else. If we donB次元官网网址檛 get that to global markets, it means weB次元官网网址檙e leaving a monopoly to some of the worldB次元官网网址檚 worst regimes, like Saudi Arabia, Venezuela, Iran and Russia.
We should be displacing that conflict oil with ethically produced Canadian oil, generated with the highest environmental and labour standards on Earth.
TF: What should the Notley government be doing that theyB次元官网网址檙e not?
JK: First of all, they should have been much faster off the mark to challenge their New Democrat friends on this stuff. I think the Alberta government was wrong to pull back on the wine boycott. I donB次元官网网址檛 see any relenting by the B.C. New Democrats.
This court reference [on legality of restricting diluted bitumen shipments from Alberta] is just another delay tactic, creating yet more uncertainty. The NDP-Green strategy here is death by delay. ItB次元官网网址檚 100 little ankle-biting efforts through municipal regulation, proposed provincial regulations, court challenges, protests. They hope the cumulative effect of all of that is to create enough investor uncertainty that Kinder Morgan walks away, and thatB次元官网网址檚 why we need to keep fighting.
IB次元官网网址檝e talked about a whole range of other consequences, up to and including, if B.C. blocks the shipment of Alberta oil, why would we allow B.C. to ship natural gas through Alberta, toll free to U.S. markets?
When you launch a trade war, as the Horgan government has, you look for whatever leverage points you have. Alberta is not spoiling for a fight. We want to defend free trade, from which we think all Canadians benefit, and our constitution.
Why in the world is it easier to move goods between the 28 sovereign member states of the European Union than Alberta and British Columbia? It is absurd. ItB次元官网网址檚 a violation of the vision of Confederation and the rule of law, and it cannot stand.
TF: What should the federal government be doing?
JK: The federal government could stop this today by declaring that Trans Mountain is in the national interest. Under Section 92-10C of the Constitution Act, the federal government has that so-called declaratory power. ItB次元官网网址檚 been used hundreds of times in Canadian history, not recently, but it allows the federal government to basically strike down any provincial laws or regulations seeking to inhibit a project that is designated as in the national interest.
TF: What about NotleyB次元官网网址檚 plan to use $1 billion for grants and loan guarantees to expand upgrading of heavy crude in Alberta, and the idea that exporting raw bitumen is exporting jobs?
JK: I would be delighted if a company came along, willing to risk up to $20 billion to build a full-scale crude refinery in Canada. But there are market reasons why that hasnB次元官网网址檛 happened, and IB次元官网网址檓 not prepared to risk taxpayersB次元官网网址� dollars by getting the government in the business of refining oil. In the real world of the marketplace, there is excess refining capacity in the integrated North American energy market, IB次元官网网址檓 told.
TF: WeB次元官网网址檝e had a lot of talk here about the B.C. NDPB次元官网网址檚 relationship with big environment groups. What do you think about whatB次元官网网址檚 happening here in B.C.?
JK: IB次元官网网址檝e seen your reports on this, and as a Canadian, thank you for exhibiting the lost art of journalism by actually doing some digging. The Harper government was ridiculed for referring to a co-ordinated campaign by radical environmentalists to stop our energy industry. Now we see clear proof of whatB次元官网网址檚 happening B次元官网网址� foreign-funded organizations co-ordinating to bottleneck CanadaB次元官网网址檚 resources.
ItB次元官网网址檚 outrageous that the B.C. environment minister has been collaborating with these people who advocate law-breaking tactics. There have been some very naive politicians in Canada who seem to think that if we impose upon ourselves the highest environmental standards, and then on top of that, carbon taxes, like Alberta and B.C., that somehow the opponents of resource development will turn themselves into supporters.
That hasnB次元官网网址檛 happened. These folks, these , alliances, they are ideologically hostile to resource development, period. And the faster governments indicate that their civil disobedience will not stop our nationB次元官网网址檚 economy, the better.
IB次元官网网址檓 concerned when I see these people popping out in front of trucks trying to make their way to the Kinder Morgan development. The RCMP show up, they walk away, theyB次元官网网址檙e not arrested or detained, and as soon as the cops are gone, they jump in front of the trucks again. IB次元官网网址檓 sorry, we cannot allow people to play cat and mouse with the countryB次元官网网址檚 economic future or the rule of law. There have to be consequences.
And we need to get to the bottom of the funding sources. As Vivian Krause has documented, Tides Canada has received over $40 million in the past decade to fight against CanadaB次元官网网址檚 economic interests. Why are we allowing this?
$80 MILLION - thatB次元官网网址檚 how much has received from NON-CANADIAN sources (2009-2016).
B次元官网网址� Vivian Krause (@FairQuestions)
Fully 60% of total revenue was NON-CANADIAN in 2015 - the year of the federal election.
How B次元官网网址淐anadianB次元官网网址� is a charity that gets so much money from non-Canadian sources?
JK: And these organizations getting involved with foreign money in our election campaigns? Thankfully Senator Linda Frum has a private memberB次元官网网址檚 bill to stop foreign money from influencing Canadian campaigns.
A U.S. Senate committee just concluded last week that it has incontrovertible evidence of an organized Russian social media trolling campaign to fight the American energy industry. IB次元官网网址檇 like to see an investigation into whether or not the same thing is happening to the Canadian energy industry.
And by the way, if these people get their way and landlock CanadaB次元官网网址檚 energy, it wonB次元官网网址檛 make one whit of difference to the global environment, because Venezuela, Russia, Saudi Arabia, Iran are not going to stop producing and shipping energy. If the green left gets its way, itB次元官网网址檚 handing a monopoly position to OPEC plus Russia.
TF: If youB次元官网网址檙e successful in the Alberta election next year, how do you deal with OttawaB次元官网网址檚 plan to impose a carbon tax?
JK: Bill number one of an Alberta Conservative government will be the Carbon Tax Repeal Act. If the federal Liberals then try to impose their carbon tax on us, weB次元官网网址檒l fight them in court. We will join the pending Saskatchewan constitutional challenge of the federal carbon tax and go all the way up the Supreme Court of Canada. We think thereB次元官网网址檚 a strong argument that itB次元官网网址檚 an invasion of provincial jurisdiction.
If the court rules against us, and if the Trudeau Liberals are re-elected, we would then set up a rebate scheme to return 100 per cent of the carbon tax revenues to Albertans. Because the feds say theyB次元官网网址檒l rebate the funds to the provincial government.
tfletcher@blackpress.ca
Like us on and follow us on .
